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the fiscal cliff, raising tax rates on the richest americans for them is still off the table. >> the revenues on the table are coming from, guess who? the rich. there are ways to limit deductions, close loopholes, and have the same people pay more of their money to the federal government without raising tax rates, which we believe will harm our economy. if the president doesn't agree with our proposal and our outline, i think he's got an obligation to send one to the congress. a plan that can pass both chambers of congress. >> joining me now is former vermont governor howard dean and msnbc's krystal ball. governor dean, our treasury secretary is a very carwful speaker. when asked if they're prepared to go off the cliff, his first word was absolutely. there was nothing, nothing could be more clear that this administration means what they say about getting what they want at this point. >> yeah. the only problem is -- this is a little initially going to team like heresy, the truth is everybody needs to pay more taxes, not just the rich. that's a good start. we won't get out of the probl
the fiscal cliff, raising tax rates on the richest americans for them is still off the table. >> the revenues on the table are coming from, guess who? the rich. there are ways to limit deductions, close loopholes, and have the same people pay more of their money to the federal government without raising tax rates, which we believe will harm our economy. if the president doesn't agree with our proposal and our outline, i think he's got an obligation to send one to the congress. a plan that...
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for what we all hope will result in a bit of progress in the fiscal cliff negotiations. congressman peter welch is a democrat from vermont and deputy chief whip and he joins us now. good afternoon, sir. >> good afternoon. >> the president has said that he wants to raise revenues, and so very specifically he wants tax rates on the rich to go up. speaker boehner says he wants to cut spending. but then he won't specify the cuts he'd like. why is that? >> he's got a tough negotiating situation. he's got to put on a show for his base and his base ran for spending cuts and for tax cuts. they know revenues are going to go up. speaker ba eer boehner knows th president is going to get his way so he's putting on a show. >> in the new nbc news/"wall street journal" poll when asked if these leaders should compromise to get a deal, 70% of democrats said yes while just 59% of republicans agreed. and now i'd like you to listen to minority leader pelosi today discussing changes to eligibility for medicare, something republicans say should be on the table. take a listen. >> don't even th
for what we all hope will result in a bit of progress in the fiscal cliff negotiations. congressman peter welch is a democrat from vermont and deputy chief whip and he joins us now. good afternoon, sir. >> good afternoon. >> the president has said that he wants to raise revenues, and so very specifically he wants tax rates on the rich to go up. speaker boehner says he wants to cut spending. but then he won't specify the cuts he'd like. why is that? >> he's got a tough...
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i'm john siegenthaler. >>> this morning on "meet the press," time is running out to avoid the fiscal cliff. is a deal closer than most think? >>> this morning on "meet the press," time is running out to avoid the fiscal cliff. is a deal closer than most think? >>> in public, the lines are drawn. but behind the scenes, the give and take over taxes and entitlement cuts point toward a deal by christmas. what is standing in the way? this morning, the debate is right here. the house speaker's top lieutenant, congressman kevin mccarthy, and top white house ally, the assistant senate majority leader, dick durbin. mccarthy and durbin square off. >>> then, what is the political endgame for both republicans and democrats? who wins and who loses as this fight drags on? >>> plus, the future of the republican party is a hot topic as both sides start plotting the 2016 campaign. our political roundtable features two former capitol hill insiders, newt gingrich and lawrence o'donnell. plus, three journalists on the story. >>> the looming fiscal cliff 22 days away. is it stalemate or compromise? we'll
i'm john siegenthaler. >>> this morning on "meet the press," time is running out to avoid the fiscal cliff. is a deal closer than most think? >>> this morning on "meet the press," time is running out to avoid the fiscal cliff. is a deal closer than most think? >>> in public, the lines are drawn. but behind the scenes, the give and take over taxes and entitlement cuts point toward a deal by christmas. what is standing in the way? this morning, the...
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the fiscal cliff talk stuck in neutral and concerns syria will use chemical weapons against it's own people. with 23 days and more posturing, will the white house cut a deal. we'll talk two senators on the front lines of the debate. democrat charles schumer and republican bob corker. then the u.s. draws a red line telling syrian president assad not to use chemical weapons in that country's civil war. we'll discuss the latest intelligence and fallout with michael oren. a fox news sunday exclusive. plus the supreme court agrees to take up same-sex marriage. we'll ask our sunday panel if the court is likely do decide whether gays have a constitutional right to marry and a final farewell to my best friend winston, all right now on "fox news sunday." hello again from fox news in washington. it's beginning to feel like groundhog day in the talks of the fiscal cliff. both sides dug in, no agreement in sight and we're 23 days from the brink. join us to break down where it stands, two leader senators, charles schumer and bob corker. house speaker boehner said friday another week has been wast
the fiscal cliff talk stuck in neutral and concerns syria will use chemical weapons against it's own people. with 23 days and more posturing, will the white house cut a deal. we'll talk two senators on the front lines of the debate. democrat charles schumer and republican bob corker. then the u.s. draws a red line telling syrian president assad not to use chemical weapons in that country's civil war. we'll discuss the latest intelligence and fallout with michael oren. a fox news sunday...
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boehner said spending was the issue preventing the deal on the fiscal cliff negotiations. right now, dow down 76 points. fox news reports former republican senator hagel emerged at the leading con tender to be president obama's pick to be secretary of defense, according to several democrats briefed on the process. the same sources say senator john kerry is talked up within the administration as a more likely nominee for secretary of state over susan rice, the current u.s. ambassador not united nations. a new study suggests this christmas travel season could be the busiest in six years. aaa predicts more than 93 million americans hitting the highways over the holidays, just 400,000 people shy of the record set in 2006. we continue our count down to the closing bell with the woman who likes her politics the same hi way likes her martinis, shaken, not stirred. liz: no, a mojito, light on the rum, adam. get it right. >> you look like a vodka woman to me, i don't know. liz: never. can't deal with that. a rough year for jcpenney, but things changing. the stock popped, but now th
boehner said spending was the issue preventing the deal on the fiscal cliff negotiations. right now, dow down 76 points. fox news reports former republican senator hagel emerged at the leading con tender to be president obama's pick to be secretary of defense, according to several democrats briefed on the process. the same sources say senator john kerry is talked up within the administration as a more likely nominee for secretary of state over susan rice, the current u.s. ambassador not united...
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john boehner is meeting with president obama on the fiscal cliff as we speak. those are the headlines. tonight in "the war room," you'll get the story. ♪ which side are you on, boy ♪ ♪ which side are you on ♪ >> jennifer: let's start tonight with one of california's most significant contributions to the world... blue jeans! during the gold rush, bavarian immigrant began making durable cotton pants for miners seeking their fortune in the california hills. that man was levi strauss. now, 140 years later 450 million pairs of jeans are sold every year in the u.s. alone. now, you would think with that volume, the manufacturing process would be totally mechanized but actually a lot of it is still done by hand. a typical pair of jeans is made from 15 individual pieces, someone has to oversee cutting all of those pieces and sew them together and as you can see in this discovery channel documentary, the seams get ironed out flat then the zipper and the rivets are attached and finally, because who wants new-looking jeans they get distressed. workers put them on g
john boehner is meeting with president obama on the fiscal cliff as we speak. those are the headlines. tonight in "the war room," you'll get the story. ♪ which side are you on, boy ♪ ♪ which side are you on ♪ >> jennifer: let's start tonight with one of california's most significant contributions to the world... blue jeans! during the gold rush, bavarian immigrant began making durable cotton pants for miners seeking their fortune in the california hills. that man was...
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john boehner now facing backlash from his own party over the fiscal cliff proposal that he made with some saying it doesn't go far enough to fix the deficit. we'll break down what this means for negotiations ahead with our morning joe panel. but up next -- you never know who you'll see on a new york city subway. and for one kindly old lady, she literally did not know who she was seeing and sitting next to. we'll play her full conversation with jay-z when "way too early" comes right back. [ woman ] ring. ring. progresso. i just finished a bowl of your new light chicken pot pie soup and it's so rich and creamy... is it really 100 calories? let me put you on webcan... ...lean roasted chicken... and a creamy broth mmm i can still see you. [ male announcer ] progresso. you gotta taste this soup. time for citi price rewind. because your daughter really wants that pink castle thing. and you really don't want to pay more than you have to. only citi price rewind automatically searches for the lowest price. and if it finds one, you get refunded the difference. just use your citi card and regis
john boehner now facing backlash from his own party over the fiscal cliff proposal that he made with some saying it doesn't go far enough to fix the deficit. we'll break down what this means for negotiations ahead with our morning joe panel. but up next -- you never know who you'll see on a new york city subway. and for one kindly old lady, she literally did not know who she was seeing and sitting next to. we'll play her full conversation with jay-z when "way too early" comes right...
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the impending fiscal cliff. the two sides have reported it will patrol gress so far. so what now? that satellite launched earlier in week by north korea, may or may not be working properly. u.s. officials indicate the spacecraft is tumbling. but not likely to crash in to the earth. there are questions about whether the national labor relations board has gone from impartial rulings to a pro-union bias. we look at the agency. "special report" from washington starts at 6:00 eastern. now have back to fork and my colleagues with "the five." ♪ ♪ >> andrea: welcome back to "the five." barbara walters revealed her most fascinating person picked last night. we'll tell you our thoughts in a moment. but first, the list inspired me along with "time" magazine upcoming person of the year naming to hit the streets to ask americans who they think deserves the title. who do you think should be person of the year? >> harry from one direction. >> eli manning. >> the president. >> i think mitt romney. i think. i mean it's hard
the impending fiscal cliff. the two sides have reported it will patrol gress so far. so what now? that satellite launched earlier in week by north korea, may or may not be working properly. u.s. officials indicate the spacecraft is tumbling. but not likely to crash in to the earth. there are questions about whether the national labor relations board has gone from impartial rulings to a pro-union bias. we look at the agency. "special report" from washington starts at 6:00 eastern. now...
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. >> the house speaker, john boehner, is speaking now on the house floor regarding the fiscal cliff. let's take a listen. >> beyond 1:50 p.m. today. >> the speaker of the house for five minutes. >> the speaker, last week republicans made a serious offer to avert the fiscal cliff, and most of it was based on testimony given last year by president clinton's former chief of staff erskine bolles. as he said on sunday, we have to cut spending. well, he is right. washington has a spending problem. let's be honest, we're broke, and the plan that we've offered is consistent with the president's call for a balanced approach. a lot of people know that the president and i met on sunday. it was a nice meeting. cordal. we're still waiting for the white house to identify what spending cuts the president is willing to make as part of the balanced approach that he promised the american people. you know, where are the president's spending cuts? the longer the white house slow walks this process, the closer our economy gets to the fiscal cliff. here's what we do know. we know that the president wants
. >> the house speaker, john boehner, is speaking now on the house floor regarding the fiscal cliff. let's take a listen. >> beyond 1:50 p.m. today. >> the speaker of the house for five minutes. >> the speaker, last week republicans made a serious offer to avert the fiscal cliff, and most of it was based on testimony given last year by president clinton's former chief of staff erskine bolles. as he said on sunday, we have to cut spending. well, he is right. washington...
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house speaker john boehner and the latest update on negotiations or lack thereof on the fiscal cliff. let's go to this right now. moments ago on the hill. hear is the speaker. >> morning, everyone. this week we made a good faith offer to avert the fiscal crisis and, that offer included significant spending cuts and reforms, and it included additional revenue and frankly it was the balanced approach that the president's been asking for. now we need a response from the white house. we can't sit here and negotiate with ourselves. our targets and framework are things that we can all agree on. and it's exactly how we approached our discussions in the biden group. my discussions at the white house a year and a half ago. and for that matter, in the joint select commit teach. and if the president doesn't agree with our proposal and our outline i think he has an obligation to send one to the congress and a plan that can pass both chambers of commerce. if you looked at the plans the white house talked about thus far, they couldn't pass either house of the congress. we're ready and eager to talk
house speaker john boehner and the latest update on negotiations or lack thereof on the fiscal cliff. let's go to this right now. moments ago on the hill. hear is the speaker. >> morning, everyone. this week we made a good faith offer to avert the fiscal crisis and, that offer included significant spending cuts and reforms, and it included additional revenue and frankly it was the balanced approach that the president's been asking for. now we need a response from the white house. we can't...
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will political gridlock force us over the fiscal cliff and into a new recession with higher taxes for everyone? house speaker john boehner called it another wasted week. >> well, this isn't a progress report because there's no progress to report. > report. >> schieffer: the president won't budge. no deals unless it includes higher taxes on upper income people. >> we're going to have to see the rates on the top two percent go up. it's not me being stubborn. it's not me being partisan. >> schieffer: the president says it's math, but is it math or politics. we'll talk with former republican senator it alan simpson, and clinton white house chief of staff, erskine bowles, who chaired the first deficit reduction commission. they're concerned about the dangers ahead. so concerned that simpson took to the dance floor to urge young people to get involved. we'll also get the take of rising democratic star cory booker, the mayor of newark. what's his answer to the washington gridlock? and is he planning a run for governor against chris christie. for analysis, we'll turn to joe klein of "time" ma
will political gridlock force us over the fiscal cliff and into a new recession with higher taxes for everyone? house speaker john boehner called it another wasted week. >> well, this isn't a progress report because there's no progress to report. > report. >> schieffer: the president won't budge. no deals unless it includes higher taxes on upper income people. >> we're going to have to see the rates on the top two percent go up. it's not me being stubborn. it's not me being...
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he is behind closed doors right now with the president, talking about the fiscal cliff. this may be a last ditch attempt to try to get a deal. >> president obama was not fretting about the fiscal cliff as he strolled to a holiday party, joking with fox news about the warm weather and expressing hope about a deal. >> it's a work in propro gress. >> speaker boehner not so hopeful. >> it's this issue. spending. he rails against what he claims is not enough spending cut in the proposal and slammed the push for executive powr to raise the debt ceiling something that the democrats never would have given former president george w. bush. >> do you think there is any chance senator obama would have done that? zero. congress is never going to give up our ability to control the purse. >> new fox poll suggests the public wants spending reigned in, with 4% saying the federal government provides too many services. only 20% says too few services, 25% says the right amount. yet, the talks are now so far off-track a senior democrat tells fox at private dinner on wednesday, senate majorit
he is behind closed doors right now with the president, talking about the fiscal cliff. this may be a last ditch attempt to try to get a deal. >> president obama was not fretting about the fiscal cliff as he strolled to a holiday party, joking with fox news about the warm weather and expressing hope about a deal. >> it's a work in propro gress. >> speaker boehner not so hopeful. >> it's this issue. spending. he rails against what he claims is not enough spending cut in...
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boehner will reach an agreement to avoid the fiscal cliff. >> there is a growing group of folks that are looking at this and realizing that we don't have a lot of cards as it relates to the tax issue before year end. i mean, we have one house, that's it. the presidency and the senate and the democrats' hands. >> coming up, here congressman chris van holland, the top house democrat in these talks. >> along with bill daley, the former white house chief of staff who prided over the last round of budget negotiations. in the meantime, the anti-union fight, which is michigan. the heart and soul of the labor movement. after saying it was their best prank ever, are these crocodile tears? the aussie dj's are all apologies now that the nurse has tragically committed suicide. >> i mean, personally i'm -- >> the thought that we may have played a part in that is gut wrenching. >> and speaking of tears, "saturday night live" spoofed the fiscal cliff talks this week in that opening skit. president obama says he is giving in to republicans to save boehner face. >> you know what, republicans, you win
boehner will reach an agreement to avoid the fiscal cliff. >> there is a growing group of folks that are looking at this and realizing that we don't have a lot of cards as it relates to the tax issue before year end. i mean, we have one house, that's it. the presidency and the senate and the democrats' hands. >> coming up, here congressman chris van holland, the top house democrat in these talks. >> along with bill daley, the former white house chief of staff who prided over...
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cliff. congressional correspondent kwame holman kicks off our coverage tonight >> reporter: late in the day, house speaker john boehner left capitol hill to meet privately with president obama at the white house, their second face- to-face meeting in a week. after a day of heated rhetoric that began on capitol hill, when boehner was blunt in again rejecting the president's demand for power to raise the country's debt ceiling. >> zero. congress is never going to give up our ability to control the purse. and the fact is, is that the debt limit ought to be used to bring fiscal sanity to washington, d.c. >> reporter: as the deadline to reach a deal to avert the fiscal cliff draws ever closer, republicans say the real issue is spending cuts. >> listen, republicans want to solve this problem by getting the spending line down. the president wants to pretend that spending isn't the problem. that's why we don't have an agreement. >> reporter: a claim the white house denies, spokesman jay carney. >> l
cliff. congressional correspondent kwame holman kicks off our coverage tonight >> reporter: late in the day, house speaker john boehner left capitol hill to meet privately with president obama at the white house, their second face- to-face meeting in a week. after a day of heated rhetoric that began on capitol hill, when boehner was blunt in again rejecting the president's demand for power to raise the country's debt ceiling. >> zero. congress is never going to give up our ability...
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president obama and house speaker john boehner set to meet today to discuss the fiscal cliff as the two sides have been struggling, to say the least, to reach a deal. speaker boehner says president obama wants tax increases but is resistant to spending cuts. the president is optimistic about a deal but acknowledges it's a work in progress. in public opinion, a poll from the pew research center 55% say the president is making a serious effort to reach a agreement. 32% of republican leaders. mike, we're hearing frustration from republicans but the breaking news, 5:00 p.m. east coast time these two getting together again. >> this is critical a 5:00 meeting at the white house between the president and speaker, the two key figures in trying to hammer out a deal. the republicans were trying to make the point spending is the nature of the government's problem, not tax revenue. they prepared a chart showing spending is expected to increase from now to 2041 while tax revenue is expected to hold consistent. so at one point today the speaker of the house sounded like he was kind of tired of answer
president obama and house speaker john boehner set to meet today to discuss the fiscal cliff as the two sides have been struggling, to say the least, to reach a deal. speaker boehner says president obama wants tax increases but is resistant to spending cuts. the president is optimistic about a deal but acknowledges it's a work in progress. in public opinion, a poll from the pew research center 55% say the president is making a serious effort to reach a agreement. 32% of republican leaders....
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john boehner says he's still hopeful a fiscal cliff deal will happen, but he and other top republicans today plan the husband's latest proposal. >> the longer the white house slow walks this discussion, the closer our economy gets to the fiscal cliff and the more american jobs are placed in jeopardy. >> simultaneous tax hikes and spending cuts could happen at the start of the year if a deal isn't reached. nelson mandela is responding to treatment for a lung infection. that is according to statements from south african president zuma. he was rushed to the hospital over the weekend, 94 years old. >>> hugo chavez's six-hour surgery was apparently a success. chavez announced saturday his cancer has returned but he has never said what type of cancer he has. >>> near portland, oregon, police say this shopping mall was bustling with 10,000 people when a mass gunman believed to be in his 20s opened fire. witnesses say he fired at random, killing two people and leaving a third victim, quote, fighting for her life. shotgun blasts he cechoed throu the mall and sent them running for cover. >> i wa
john boehner says he's still hopeful a fiscal cliff deal will happen, but he and other top republicans today plan the husband's latest proposal. >> the longer the white house slow walks this discussion, the closer our economy gets to the fiscal cliff and the more american jobs are placed in jeopardy. >> simultaneous tax hikes and spending cuts could happen at the start of the year if a deal isn't reached. nelson mandela is responding to treatment for a lung infection. that is...
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i want to talk to you about the fiscal cliff. but, first, i want to talk about jim demint. >> sure. >> what is this say about the senate, about the ability of someone like jim demint, an avowed conservative, to accomplish what he wants to accomplish within that chamber, that he felt the need or saw the opportunity to step outside of the chamber? what does that say about the folk like yourself who are still within it? >> well, jim demint is going to continue to be a leader in this country for years to come. specifically on conservative issues. he's going to continue to push for ways to cut spending and to limit the size of government. and i welcome that. he's choosing to do it outside now rather than inside the senate but he's had a huge, positive influence on the senate and we're going to continue to see that for years to come. >> senator, this may seem like a simple question, but i wonder, and a lot of people do is the senate from your perspective, is the senate a difficult place to be if you are someone who comes from executive
i want to talk to you about the fiscal cliff. but, first, i want to talk about jim demint. >> sure. >> what is this say about the senate, about the ability of someone like jim demint, an avowed conservative, to accomplish what he wants to accomplish within that chamber, that he felt the need or saw the opportunity to step outside of the chamber? what does that say about the folk like yourself who are still within it? >> well, jim demint is going to continue to be a leader in...
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." >> as the fiscal cliff pressure goes on, whether john boehner has the votes to get a deal through. they have ads aimed at house republicans. one of boehner's colleagues is not exactly rejecting the idea of challenging him with a gavel. we will dig into that. overseas, north korea fires off another rocket. we will have the latest on what the pentagon and the world is saying about this closed off country's capability to launch a long range rweapon. plus 65 years of history making by our friends at "meet the press." the longest running television show. on the planet. from a deep dive also into the kennedy legacy and the man who laid the foundation for a whole bunch of folks in public life. good morning from washington. it's wednesday, december 12th, 12-12-12. my kids have never been so excited about a date. let's get right to my first read of the morning. one step forward, two steps back. that's probably the best way to describe the fiscal talks between president obama and house speaker john boehner. with christmas less than two weeks away, the white house is faced with the same key q
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also there's this editorial from the great ted nugent on how to resolve the fiscal cliff. the nug says, let's stop the insanity by suspending the right to vote of any american who's on welfare. how effectiveç is voter suppression good at cushing insanity? >> this is the first time we've heard from john sununu. probably not the first time we've heard from ted nugent. these are two outliers within the beaten republican party. remember, the polls were barely closed before republicans were coming out of the woodwork, talking about how they needed to broaden the tent, be more open and welcoming and approachable to the very people who turned their backs on the republican party and helped re-elect president obama. john sununu is addition you know, he's not speaking for the republican party. ted nugent, he's very entertaining and downright racist in some of the things he says. >> if you like that kind of thing. >> i guarantee you, they're not going to be standing at the speaker's podium in 2016. the party moving beyond those characters. >> i hope you're right. mitt romney, whom
also there's this editorial from the great ted nugent on how to resolve the fiscal cliff. the nug says, let's stop the insanity by suspending the right to vote of any american who's on welfare. how effectiveç is voter suppression good at cushing insanity? >> this is the first time we've heard from john sununu. probably not the first time we've heard from ted nugent. these are two outliers within the beaten republican party. remember, the polls were barely closed before republicans were...
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a deliberate strategy to slow walk our economy right to the edge of the fiscal cliff. it's time for the president, if he's serious to come back to us with a counter offer. >> the president told a virginia family on thursday he won't back down on taxing the rich. >> just to be clear, i'm not going to sign any package that somehow prevents the top rate from going up for folks at the top 2%. but i do remain optimistic that we can get something done that is good for families like this one. >> the rebels gain on assad raising fears he might use chemical weapons. that was enough to frighten the russians into talking with hillary clinton about a political transition. >> the united states stands with the syrian people in insisting that any transition process re -- result in a unified democratic syria in which all citizens are represented. the future of this kind cannot possibly include assad. >> a tragic turn of events in london. the nurse that first transferred that prank call to duchess catherine is found dead. david axelrod shaves it all off on "morning joe." >> joe scarbor
a deliberate strategy to slow walk our economy right to the edge of the fiscal cliff. it's time for the president, if he's serious to come back to us with a counter offer. >> the president told a virginia family on thursday he won't back down on taxing the rich. >> just to be clear, i'm not going to sign any package that somehow prevents the top rate from going up for folks at the top 2%. but i do remain optimistic that we can get something done that is good for families like this...
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. >>> is john boehner packing his parachute to jump off the fiscal cliff or will he figure it out? it's thursday, december 13th, and this is "now." i'm joy reid filling in for the lovely alex wagner. msnbc political analyst and editor at large at salon.com and also my pal joan walsh politico senior political editor maggie haberman and time assistant managing editor rona. with christmas less than two weeks away it's seeming more likely that america will see santa claus before it sees a deal on the fiscal cliff. the house majority and minority leaders issued a clear message today and yesterday don't book your plane tickets. >> we don't know if we would be home for the rest of hanukkah or christmas. let's really get real about this if we're going to have a solution, and let's stay here and sit at that table. >> we've said we're committed to staying here. we're going to stay here right up until christmas eve throughout the time and period before the new year. >> there are no talks scheduled today between the president and house speaker boehner. meanwhile, fed chairman ben bernanke, the
. >>> is john boehner packing his parachute to jump off the fiscal cliff or will he figure it out? it's thursday, december 13th, and this is "now." i'm joy reid filling in for the lovely alex wagner. msnbc political analyst and editor at large at salon.com and also my pal joan walsh politico senior political editor maggie haberman and time assistant managing editor rona. with christmas less than two weeks away it's seeming more likely that america will see santa claus before...
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and avoid the so-called fiscal cliff. and they only have 19 days left. at the same time, the president's short list for secretary of state is even shorter right now, now that the ambassador susan rice has taken her name out of the running to replace hillary clinton. our chief white house correspondent jessica yellin and our senior congressional correspondent, dana bash, they are both standing by. jessica, first to you on the obama/b obama/boehner meeting that's going on what are you hearing? >> the meeting began 50 minutes ago in the oval office, and the purpose of this 11th hour meeting is to see if they can find a breakthrough. to see if there is any way that they can reach a deal in the 11th hour, wolf. for the speaker, that would mean essentially if he can get more spending cuts from the president. if there is a way they can achieve entitlement reform and enough of a spending agreement that would make it worth the speaker's while and able to sell it to his base. for the president, it means, will the speaker give on ta
and avoid the so-called fiscal cliff. and they only have 19 days left. at the same time, the president's short list for secretary of state is even shorter right now, now that the ambassador susan rice has taken her name out of the running to replace hillary clinton. our chief white house correspondent jessica yellin and our senior congressional correspondent, dana bash, they are both standing by. jessica, first to you on the obama/b obama/boehner meeting that's going on what are you hearing?...
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talks continue on capitol hill to avoid the fiscal cliff. but where is it all going? house speaker john boehner went to the floor and spoke about his meeting with president obama for the first time. boehner and the president sat down over the weekend. boehner says the meeting was nice and cordial but went on to attack the president's offer on spending cuts. >> we're still waiting for the white house to identify what spending cuts the president is willing to make as part of the balanced approach that he promised the american people. the longer the white house slow walks this process, the closer our economy gets to the fiscal cliff. right now the american people have to be scratching their heads and wondering when is the president going to get serious? >> boehner and his far right caucus may find the offer unacceptable, but president obama has put a lot on the table. nancy pelosi hit back at boehner's rhetoric today. >> the fact is, the president has and democrats agree, to $1.6 trillion cuts. where are the cuts? in bills that you, mr. speaker, have voted for. >> pelosi
talks continue on capitol hill to avoid the fiscal cliff. but where is it all going? house speaker john boehner went to the floor and spoke about his meeting with president obama for the first time. boehner and the president sat down over the weekend. boehner says the meeting was nice and cordial but went on to attack the president's offer on spending cuts. >> we're still waiting for the white house to identify what spending cuts the president is willing to make as part of the balanced...
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some of their budgets could take a major hit if, in fact, the nation goes off the so-called fiscal cliff. his spokesman jay carney was even tougher in going after speaker john boehner's latest proposal in saying it simply doesn't add up. >> we don't know who pays. we don't know what we're talking about in terms of actual legislation to increase revenues. it's magic beans and fairy dust. >> the bottom line is the president and speaker boehner have not spoken now in several days. so there is really no signs of progress. there has been some discussion that look that's just happening in public. behind closed doors maybe they are gaining some ground, i have spoken to some top white house officials tonight some top republicans on the hill they say in private they are not making progress either, shep. >> shepard: republicans say they have offered some compromises. >> they have in the sense that speaker boehner with his policy late yesterday put $100 billion in new tax revenue on the table. that was a concession by him but not far enough as you noted for the white house because the white house w
some of their budgets could take a major hit if, in fact, the nation goes off the so-called fiscal cliff. his spokesman jay carney was even tougher in going after speaker john boehner's latest proposal in saying it simply doesn't add up. >> we don't know who pays. we don't know what we're talking about in terms of actual legislation to increase revenues. it's magic beans and fairy dust. >> the bottom line is the president and speaker boehner have not spoken now in several days. so...
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silence about the fiscal cliff. the president and the house speaker john boehner holding closed door meetings to work out a deal or try to. 21 days and counting away from tax hikes and spending cuts going into affect. and congress breaks for christmas on friday. here is where things stand. the president hitting the road to sell his tax plan to -- at a truck plant to workers in michigan. and there are fiscal cliff talks and on capitol hill for a single day, all was quiet. that's always bad news if you are a political reporter, shannon travis live in washington, d.c.. there are some people who say well, let's read into the silence, because that's all we're getting and it's good news. do you feel that way? >> could be potentially good news. there is this notion of not negotiating through the media. the stakes are high, puts pressure on both sides. so on? that sense, as much as we would love to know what's going on in these discussions, it might be good to take some of the pressure off. i will read a statement from hous
silence about the fiscal cliff. the president and the house speaker john boehner holding closed door meetings to work out a deal or try to. 21 days and counting away from tax hikes and spending cuts going into affect. and congress breaks for christmas on friday. here is where things stand. the president hitting the road to sell his tax plan to -- at a truck plant to workers in michigan. and there are fiscal cliff talks and on capitol hill for a single day, all was quiet. that's always bad news...
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. >>> 19 days and counting until the government goes over the fiscal cliff. your taxes automatically go up. at this moment i wish they were close to a deal, but after john boehner and house minority leader nancy pelosi spoke a short time ago, deep sigh. not there yet. take a listen. >> republicans put out a let they're had more signatures than ideas. it had like one number. that's not -- let's get real. let's really get real about this if we are going to have a solution. >> here we are at the 11th hour and the president still is not serious about dealing with this issue right here. it's this issue. spending. we want to talk about polling. most americans agree that spending is a much bigger problem than raising taxes. we want to deal with this in a responsible way. >> as you just heard, house speaker said the white house is not serious about cutting spending, but the white house said it could be over if republicans agreed to raise taxes on the top 2%. guess what. 76% of adults surveyed agree with the president on this one. this is according to the polls as the
. >>> 19 days and counting until the government goes over the fiscal cliff. your taxes automatically go up. at this moment i wish they were close to a deal, but after john boehner and house minority leader nancy pelosi spoke a short time ago, deep sigh. not there yet. take a listen. >> republicans put out a let they're had more signatures than ideas. it had like one number. that's not -- let's get real. let's really get real about this if we are going to have a solution. >>...
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as john boehner fights over the fiscal cliff with democrats and the president, he is cracking down now on some house conservatives that he thinks are a bit too free spirited. john boehner kicked two republicans off the house budget committee. he got rid of another two on the financial services committee. all four voted against the 2011 debt ceiling deal. the two on the budget committee voted against paul ryan's budget. the chairman of the budget committee. speaker boehner issued these punishments with the full support of the republican leadership including the majority leader eric cantor and majority whip kevin mccarthy. jonathan capehart, this is fascinating. i am interpreting this as a positive thing for president obama and the democrats in an attempt to at some point either before or after going off the cliff, reaching some kind of deal with boehner. what boehner's message seems to be to these conservatives willing to vote for something because it is not conservative enough. i need better team players if i'm going to walk back from the white house with a deal. i need your vote on it
as john boehner fights over the fiscal cliff with democrats and the president, he is cracking down now on some house conservatives that he thinks are a bit too free spirited. john boehner kicked two republicans off the house budget committee. he got rid of another two on the financial services committee. all four voted against the 2011 debt ceiling deal. the two on the budget committee voted against paul ryan's budget. the chairman of the budget committee. speaker boehner issued these...
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. ♪ connell: the speaker of the house john boehner is about to update us on the fiscal cliff talks. pushing the president to come up with some spending cuts. we will have it live as soon as it starts. before that, let's make a little money. charles payne is here. tell us your stock today. charles: they make great cars. the demand is absolutely on fire. the liquefying the commodities, natural gas, i think there will be a lot of money there. as you are worried about this fiscal cliff stuff, this is one of the companies that has done very well in a recessionary. they have managed extraordinarily well. connell: i mentioned a moment ago. again, we are waiting for speaker john boehner. i mentioned a moment ago that the speakership and job is on the line. he will come out, rich erickson was telling us, the missing ingredient is the spending cuts. the president has not been serious. where do you think we are in all of this? charles: this whole thing came about because of the debt ceiling compromise. now it feels like that entire thing has been flip-flopped. connell: i guess you would not ha
. ♪ connell: the speaker of the house john boehner is about to update us on the fiscal cliff talks. pushing the president to come up with some spending cuts. we will have it live as soon as it starts. before that, let's make a little money. charles payne is here. tell us your stock today. charles: they make great cars. the demand is absolutely on fire. the liquefying the commodities, natural gas, i think there will be a lot of money there. as you are worried about this fiscal cliff stuff,...
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to tell us about the fiscal cliff clayen. jacki schechner healthcare geek. i ahead an article on the hill, we should warn the cockles -- leave medicaid out of the talks. liberals are pressing to take medicate off the table in deficit reduction talks. you talked about this in our last jacki's healthcare corner. >> the medicaid expansion is interesting because part of the way that we're going to get everybody covered is expanding medicaid up to 133% of poverty. that's part of the affordable care act. and the president and the administration are being very strong right now about insisting that states have to follow the law to a t and not be able to implement it incrementally or partially. so not only leave it out of the talk but the administration is holding firm right now and insisting that this medicaid expansion either take place in its entirety or not at all. >> stephanie: i wound up the healthcare bot. >> sorry. [ laughter ] >> stephanie: very good. love you. now here she is putting on her little news hat in the current new
to tell us about the fiscal cliff clayen. jacki schechner healthcare geek. i ahead an article on the hill, we should warn the cockles -- leave medicaid out of the talks. liberals are pressing to take medicate off the table in deficit reduction talks. you talked about this in our last jacki's healthcare corner. >> the medicaid expansion is interesting because part of the way that we're going to get everybody covered is expanding medicaid up to 133% of poverty. that's part of the affordable...
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treaty about disability or what they're saying by the fiscal cliff. we're seeing an important shift in their strategy. i think at the end of the day john boehner is going to decide it makes more sense to pass the senate bill, extending the tax cut to 98% saying to the public at large we're not going to deny you that, but we're not going to pass the debt ceiling increase. on that they'll hang tougher seeking to extract something from the white house. >> i agree with half of that. i think they're going to wait for the debt ceiling crisis that they're going to create with their leverage. but it seems to me that they have more incentive to blame the democrats for rising taxes on everybody, and then come back and pass that middle class tax cut. i think we're going to see the sun setting of the bush tax cuts. i just don't see how the tea partyers essentially can do a preemptive basically pre- preemptive tax cuts before the taxes go back up. >> eliot: charles, do you agree with sam? once the tax cuts have expired maybe they pass the tax cut for 98% but then
treaty about disability or what they're saying by the fiscal cliff. we're seeing an important shift in their strategy. i think at the end of the day john boehner is going to decide it makes more sense to pass the senate bill, extending the tax cut to 98% saying to the public at large we're not going to deny you that, but we're not going to pass the debt ceiling increase. on that they'll hang tougher seeking to extract something from the white house. >> i agree with half of that. i think...
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hike as part of the fiscal cliff deal. look at the numbers from the "new york times" to see why. there are 234 house republican there's this 113th congress. 85% of them won re-election easily with at least 55% of the vote. and almost all were re-elect we'd the promise not to raise taxes. so what is their obligation to their voters and can john boehner make a switch palatable? i'm joined now by former ohio governor ted strickland and former campaign manager for mike huckabee chip satsman. good morning. >> good morning. >> what do the lawmakers owe their constituents on the promise not to raise tax she's. >> i think they owe the country. good governance. and obviously every member of congress has an obligation to their particular district and their particular constituents, but they also have a larger obligation, i believe, to the well-being of the country as a total. and so we are in a situation where some difficult decisions have to be made, but i believe the well being of the country must take precedent over every other co
hike as part of the fiscal cliff deal. look at the numbers from the "new york times" to see why. there are 234 house republican there's this 113th congress. 85% of them won re-election easily with at least 55% of the vote. and almost all were re-elect we'd the promise not to raise taxes. so what is their obligation to their voters and can john boehner make a switch palatable? i'm joined now by former ohio governor ted strickland and former campaign manager for mike huckabee chip...
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now, about the fiscal cliff, john boehner's in town. that's relatively rare for him to stay in town on the weekend. the president was here, but there were meetings yesterday. nancy pelosi came in and out. no one saw her. we thought reading the tea leaves maybe there would be some movement. there was some movement. the president is playing golf. haven't seen hide nor hair of john boehner. >> mike viqueira, thank you, good sir. for more insight into where all of this is headed and whether there could be a breakthrough, i'd like to bring in david jackson, white house reporter for "usa today," and the politics writer for "roll call." appreciate your time. david, what's your sense right now? how far apart are the two sides? >> i think they're closer than a lot of people think because as mike just mentioned the dispute the size of the tax increase on the wealthy. both sides have said they want to negotiate what that rate may be. as far as the republicans are concerned, they want more commitment from the white house for spending cuts particula
now, about the fiscal cliff, john boehner's in town. that's relatively rare for him to stay in town on the weekend. the president was here, but there were meetings yesterday. nancy pelosi came in and out. no one saw her. we thought reading the tea leaves maybe there would be some movement. there was some movement. the president is playing golf. haven't seen hide nor hair of john boehner. >> mike viqueira, thank you, good sir. for more insight into where all of this is headed and whether...
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in firms of the discussions of the fiscal cliff, the white house is focused solely on cuts for top earners. almost no discussion of unemployment insurance and payroll taxes, the farm bill which would include the price of milk and food stamps on a broader level. at what point do these become sticking points in the negotiation? >> reporter: they're going to become sticking points and probably before the end of the year, because remember there are a couple of things going on. if the president gets a deal on rates, republicans are going to be less inclined to go along with some of the other things, like extended unemployment insurance and some sort of extension perhaps in different form of the payroll tax cut. but also to avoid the sequestration, the congress has got to find some way to have cuts in the interim. if they kick the can down the road they have to have month by month cuts. the farm bill, talking $10 billion a month to in effect buy off the sequestration while they negotiate, the farm bill if you take the senate bill, $23 billion in subsidies cut overall, $4 billion as mentioned fro
in firms of the discussions of the fiscal cliff, the white house is focused solely on cuts for top earners. almost no discussion of unemployment insurance and payroll taxes, the farm bill which would include the price of milk and food stamps on a broader level. at what point do these become sticking points in the negotiation? >> reporter: they're going to become sticking points and probably before the end of the year, because remember there are a couple of things going on. if the...
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. >>> our country will be heading over the fiscal cliff that we ourselves dug and put in our way. it's the set of automatic spending cuts and tax hikes that can only be averted if our nation's leaders are able to display bear bones competence and middle school-level maturity. so is there a deal? >> there's, of course, no deal. >> of course! is there a prospect for a deal? >> there's not a prospect for a deal. >> of course! but the ongoing talks. >> there aren't even very many talks going on. >> you're killing us! give us something. >> but for the first time, there are numbers on pieces of paper from both sides. >> numbers on paper! >>> good morning. it's wednesday, december 5th. welcome to "morning joe." live in the nation's capital. this is exciting. and you know, i said, let's do a show from washington, d.c., because they get so much stuff done there. it's like silicon valley. and going there when steve jobs was really bringing apple to the forefront -- >> a happening place. >> it is. it's where things happen. that's why we're here, steve rattner. >> washington is the place. wit
. >>> our country will be heading over the fiscal cliff that we ourselves dug and put in our way. it's the set of automatic spending cuts and tax hikes that can only be averted if our nation's leaders are able to display bear bones competence and middle school-level maturity. so is there a deal? >> there's, of course, no deal. >> of course! is there a prospect for a deal? >> there's not a prospect for a deal. >> of course! but the ongoing talks. >> there...
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the fiscal cliff. dissension within the ranks. it seems not all republican lawmakers and conservative groups are in lockstep with john boehner. earlier i spoke with one gop house member who hasn't been on the same wave length as the speaker recently. he's in senior leadership. here's what deputy whip congressman tom cole told me about those who in the party say taxes shouldn't be on the table. >> for those who say we're putting revenue on the table, the american people did that when they elected, you know, the president and a democratic senate again. again, they have to agree to a deal or tax rates on everybody go up. i think we shouldn't -- we should do everything we can to avoid that for as many people as we possibly can. >> "outfront" tonight, grover norquist, whose anti tax pledge signed by most sitting republican lawmakers on capitol hill has been a major point of contention in this debate. grover, let me start by asking you something congressman tom cole said. he said it's the american people who spoke. this was central to t
the fiscal cliff. dissension within the ranks. it seems not all republican lawmakers and conservative groups are in lockstep with john boehner. earlier i spoke with one gop house member who hasn't been on the same wave length as the speaker recently. he's in senior leadership. here's what deputy whip congressman tom cole told me about those who in the party say taxes shouldn't be on the table. >> for those who say we're putting revenue on the table, the american people did that when they...
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fiscal cliff negotiations, don't you think they would proceed a lot faster and smoother if both sides were really dealing with reality? but, you see, the republicans, they simply are not. house speaker john boehner and senate minority leader mitch mcconnell have spent years catering to the base that believes, let's say, president obama's a socialist, and the united nations wants to take your disabled child right out of your home. they have votes to back it up, folks. this pitiful display of most senate republicans on the disability treaty showed once again just how far they are, and how far they are removed from reality. one democratic senator told me yesterday his office was actually getting calls from constituents with disabled children wanting to know if the u.n. would remove their children from their homes. it is manufacturing fear in the lives of americans. sometimes it's just a bald-faced lie about the facts. here's the democratic and republican opening bids on the fiscal cliff. but the revenue side of the republican proposal just doesn't match up with reality. you can't get $80
fiscal cliff negotiations, don't you think they would proceed a lot faster and smoother if both sides were really dealing with reality? but, you see, the republicans, they simply are not. house speaker john boehner and senate minority leader mitch mcconnell have spent years catering to the base that believes, let's say, president obama's a socialist, and the united nations wants to take your disabled child right out of your home. they have votes to back it up, folks. this pitiful display of...
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>>guest: there is no fiscal cliff. there is a fiscal slope. the earth doesn't stop spinning, the sun will come up, the moon will come up and we will have to do things in john. taxes will go up and the democratic party and hopefully some responsible republicans will vote to make certain that we remove this tax cut that would take place. >>eric: no talk about responsible democrats to stop spending so were, or cut back the spending, not just cutting back the increase rate in spending but item spending cuts. >>guest: the rate of increase doesn't have anything to do with the spain people are suffering whether they are middle class or poor. we were talking about the so-called fiscal cliff, if that happens, automatically taxes are going to go up for everyone. maybe, then, someone would ask, who was it that said we shouldn't just pass the tax cuts to make certain that the working poor and the middle class get it, who stopped us and who pushed us over the cliff. it won't be the democratic minority in the house of representatives. >>eric: always good to
>>guest: there is no fiscal cliff. there is a fiscal slope. the earth doesn't stop spinning, the sun will come up, the moon will come up and we will have to do things in john. taxes will go up and the democratic party and hopefully some responsible republicans will vote to make certain that we remove this tax cut that would take place. >>eric: no talk about responsible democrats to stop spending so were, or cut back the spending, not just cutting back the increase rate in spending...
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million in fiscal cliff negotiations. we're expecting a news conference any minute now on that meeting. we'll bring it to you live. nancy pelosi spoke about it a few hours ago. here's what she had to say. >> i would hope that that would break the fall on the cliff, which is becoming more of a soil if they do that but really, we do need to put a down payment, not just in revenues which passing middle income tax cut means the end of holding them hostage. >> senior congressional correspondent dana bash is on capitol hill. so what's happening now? >> reporter: well, we have been talking to republican lawmakers as they have been coming out of this meeting that the house republican conference had this morning and i should tell you any moment we're going to see the speaker and the other members of the leadership. i'll sit down when that happens. but what we've actually heard is what went on behind closed doors is not the backlash from conservatives outside the congress but certainly groups that are very, very upset that the hous
million in fiscal cliff negotiations. we're expecting a news conference any minute now on that meeting. we'll bring it to you live. nancy pelosi spoke about it a few hours ago. here's what she had to say. >> i would hope that that would break the fall on the cliff, which is becoming more of a soil if they do that but really, we do need to put a down payment, not just in revenues which passing middle income tax cut means the end of holding them hostage. >> senior congressional...